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Wednesday, February 3, 2010
February 2, 2010, 12:38 pm
The False Prophets of Autism
By LISA BELKIN
When Dr. Andrew Wakefield — the British doctor who linked vaccines to autism — was found to be “dishonest,” “irresponsible” and acting “contrary to the clinical interests” of a child by a medical-misconduct panel last week, and when the respected medical journal The Lancet officially retracted its publication of Wakefield’s 1998 study earlier today, those were but the most recent controversial moments in the medical mystery that is autism.
For more than a decade, parents who believed Wakefield’s claims have accused doubters of playing roulette with the health of their children. But those who questioned his views have charged that his results are not replicable, that he has financial conflicts of interest and that he is spreading fear for his own gain.
Liane Carter has read all the news reports out of Britain with their mix of predictions that this is the end of Wakefield’s career as a researcher (he now runs an autism clinic in Austin). But some parents promise to follow him anywhere. To Carter, it all sounds numbingly familiar. In a guest blog today, she describes her frustration with those who prey on the desperation of parents with unfounded promises of an answer. Time spent on false hope, she writes, is time wasted on finding an actual cure.
CURE DU JOUR
By LIANE KUPFERBERG CARTER
Two years ago, Jenny McCarthy, the actress turned activist, said she found the cure for her son’s autism. Since then, I’ve watched McCarthy and her autism advocacy group, Generation Rescue, lead an ideological, unscientific crusade against childhood vaccines.
Oprah has signed a deal to sponsor McCarthy in her very own talk show. I’ve listened to McCarthy’s announcements that her son Evan “is no longer in the world of autism.” He is, she says, “recovered.” It makes me cringe.
I don’t know what “recovered” looks like. I’ve heard people throw this term around, but I’ve yet to meet a child who is “cured” of autism. You could say that any child receiving therapy is “in recovery.” I’ve seen many kids who have made good progress in a therapeutic setting, my own 17-year-old son included. But most of these children still are and will always be autistic.
I’ve watched in anger as McCarthy plugs her books to Diane Sawyer, Larry King and People magazine, telling the world that the gluten/casein-free diet or biomedical treatments for yeast and metal toxicity have fixed her child. She draws the analogy that alternative biomedical treatments for autism are like chemotherapy for cancer: some patients benefit, many don’t.
True enough. But there are far more of us in the “don’t” category. Behavioral therapy still remains the gold standard in treating autism. When our son was not yet 2, we immersed him in all the mainstream treatments: applied behavioral analysis, speech therapy, occupational and physical therapy.
But for good measure, we also dipped our toes in the biomedical pool. Our only rule: whatever we tried must be safe, pain-free and noninvasive. We tried the gluten/casein-free diet ( where have i heard of that b4 ? ) and probiotics and spent our savings on cranial sacral therapy, auditory integration therapy, homeopathy and food-sensitivity testing.
Those were the years that the Autism Research Institute first launched DAN (Defeat Autism Now), a protocol of biomedical interventions, so we consulted the local DAN doctor too. He charged thousands of dollars, most of it not covered by insurance, yet his waiting room was packed. Over the course of a year, he offered one cure du jour after another, quick to take advantage of our desperation. Finally, he insisted our 4-year-old had stealth birus. He urged us to give him a cytotoxic drug called ganciclovir then being used for AIDS patients and other severely immuno-compromised people.
“How many children have you treated with this?” I asked.
“I’m treating one patient right now,” he said.
That’s when we fled. In the years since, we’ve watched so-called miracle cures come and go: secretin, a pancreatic enzyme; intravenous gamma globulin; the “metabolic enhancer” DMG; hyperbaric chamber therapy; mercury chelation; stem cells from China; the Lupron protocol, a form of chemical castration. All junk science.
There’s nothing wrong with reasonable hope. Parents need to cling to something. I still fervently believe that early intervention is critical. With therapy, 40 to 50 percent of the children who are diagnosed at age 3 gain enough skills to be mainstreamed by 6, though many continue to need special educational and social supports. A small but provocative study released at IMFAR (International Meeting for Autism Research) suggests that 10 percent of children with autism improve sufficiently by age 9 so that they no longer meet diagnostic criteria for the disorder. Significantly, most of these formerly autistic kids got intensive, long-term behavioral treatment soon after diagnosis.
It’s distressing and hurtful to hear McCarthy say her son is cured because she “was willing to do what it took.” McCarthy, who describes herself as one of a tribe of “warrior moms,” seems to imply that if our kids are unrecovered, it’s because we didn’t do the diet right, weren’t willing to let doctors inject our children with unproven drugs or somehow just didn’t love our children enough.
I’ve heard McCarthy say on national TV, “Evan is my science.” I’m sorry, one little boy is not “science.” Warm and fuzzy anecdotes don’t do it for me. Give me hard science any day, with its double blind studies and rigorous peer review.
I don’t doubt that McCarthy loves her son. But the vast majority of our kids are not going to be cured. It’s time for the media to stop giving airtime to celebrities with no medical credentials who peddle unrealistic hopes to families dealing with a devastating diagnosis
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 2, 2010
Filed at 11:01 a.m. ET
LONDON (AP) -- A major British medical journal on Tuesday retracted a flawed study linking the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine to autism and bowel disease.
The retraction by The Lancet comes a day after a competing medical journal, BMJ, issued an embargoed commentary calling for The Lancet to formally retract the study. The commentary was to have been published on Wednesday.
The BMJ commentary said once the study by British surgeon and medical researcher Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues appeared in 1998 in The Lancet, ''the arguments were considered by many to be proven and the ghastly social drama of the demon vaccine took on a life of its own.''
Since the controversial paper was published, British parents abandoned the vaccine in droves, leading to a resurgence of measles. Subsequent studies have found no proof that the vaccine is connected to autism, though some parents are still wary of the shot.
In Britain, vaccination rates for measles have never recovered and there are outbreaks of the disease every year.
Ten of Wakefield's 13 co-authors renounced the study's conclusions several years ago and The Lancet has previously said it should never have published the research.
''We fully retract this paper from the published record,'' Lancet editors said in a statement Tuesday.
Last week, Britain's General Medical Council ruled that Wakefield had shown a ''callous disregard'' for the children used in his study and acted unethically. Wakefield and the two colleagues who have not renounced the study face being stripped of their right to practice medicine in Britain.
For the study, Wakefield took blood samples from children at his son's birthday party, paying them 5 pounds each for their contributions and later joking about the incident
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i have pasted this article only to show that sometimes BS baffels brains
whole money making industries grow up around these theories and psudo science
even the lancet was taken in
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Oh TeddyBoy - {Wondering where's Bear?}
False Prophets? makes for a nice headline.
Reality is my child is living proof of a connection of ASD and gut issues(ataxia symptoms disappeared after diet change), which is all Dr. Wakefield suggests in his case series - not a study.
Yes- lapse of judgement in structure of aquiring subjects, but *IMO* it's as random a selectionas any other method. Were his conclusions or science wrong? far from it.
Kelly-ann, back online after darn FB virus! Got a new PC outta the deal, but Windows 7....sigh-grrr-[confusion]
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hi kalar ,
dont know where the bear is.......hibernation ?
maybe he found a " nicer " forum
wherever he is im sure hes still firing off e mails thick n fast to the club
the headline is from the n y times ......dont shoot the messenger
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Jenny McCarthy is my hero(Well, one of them anyway...).
Do not be so quick to believe everything that you read...
Liane K Carter, the parent, seems to fall into the category that I refer to as the extremist parents of children with autism who take their anger & hurt out on those individuals whose beliefs go against the system.
As a parent of a child with autism and a physician, I try to agree to disagree with these parents. I also agree to disagree with the other extreme...Those who say that one or two particular "magic bullets" completely healed their child of autism.
I have read Jenny McCarthy's books, heard her speak live, met her in person, and in some respects walked in her shoes AS A MOM. When I read her book "Louder Than Words", I asked all of my best friends to read it because so many of the things she said were like I WAS WRITING THE BOOK MYSELF. I said to myself, "Thank God! Now somebody will 'get it'" about what it's like to have your son diagnosed.
Regarding "Cure Du Jour", Jenny McCarthy is taken out of context. She has said, "Autism is like getting hit by a bus...You can recover, but you will always have been hit by a bus." Her son has "recovered". So has mine. But they still have autism. Jenny wanted to give parents HOPE which there IS. She, like I, got tired of hearing "THERE IS NO TREATMENT. THERE IS NO CURE. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO." Sound familiar?
In 2010 society and the medical community appear to be in agreement that a healthy lifestyle with healthy fresh foods, plenty of exercise and activity including being outdoors in the sunshine, and a positive mental outlook can affect our health for the better. I agree.
A large percentage of children under the autism spectrum IMPROVE WHEN THEIR DIETS ARE CHANGED. Not every child, but many. This is not "cure du jour", this is COMMON SENSE. And because we still do not know exactly what causes autism, it goes to reason that some children will improve quite a bit and others will not. Diet is just one example of what can help these kids.
My son is on a modified diet, and I'm sorry to say that we have not yet tried the strict GFCF diet. But he improved when we removed soy. He also improved with Methyl-B12 injections and dietary supplements. He now goes to an ABA/VB based school which REALLY helps. But he's been there for a year and had been improving before receiving the only "proven" therapy for autism...ABA.
Liane K Carter sadly got burnt by a DAN! (Defeat Autism Now!) doctor. Well, there are bad apples in every batch and every profession. DAN!, the ARI(Autism Research Institute) and the ASA(Autism Society of America), the largest grassroots autism advocacy group in America grew out of the experience and dedication of one physician, one Dad, who refused to believe that his son belonged in an institution...Who refused to believe that "Nothing can be done".
God Bless Him...Dr. Bernard Rimland...You should read about him, Teddy.
Bottom line...You can't believe everything you see, or read...You must consider the source...You have to trust the source...I don't trust many media sources like I used to...You have to consider the fact that this is an emotionally charged issue, so it will be very difficult to get a truly balanced perspective.
Finally...I think that the attacks on Dr. Wakefield are analagous to a "witch hunt". Yes, we must weed out the "charlatans"...However, we should be VERY CAREFUL BEFORE WE START CALLING ANY DOCTOR who dares to stand against the status quo a charlatan...
Enough for now...Let me know if you want the names of any of my references...
Still your friend...
SunnyKay 
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you really stepped on a hornet's nest there, mate.
Of course the fact that Dr. Wakefield was discredited and the fact that the publication of his theory got retracted, both because of bad science, should be considered by his disciples, but you know that they are not going to be.
A few months ago, I saw a Congressional subcommittee hearing in which some advocacy group was pushing for another study that would try to link autism and vaccinations. The NIH response was that we have done 14 major studies already finding no link, and we really think that the 15th study would be a waste of time and effort. They said it was time to move on and find the real cause and/or treatments. That seems like a pretty reasonable position to me.
Of course the advocacy group almost had some sort of apoplexy over this suggestion. The most interesting part of the hearing to me was when the executive director of the advocacy group spoke. He happened to be a lawyer, which I'm sure is just a coincidence. (By the way, don't lawyers sue people? Would it make it a lot easier for them to sue if they had evidence furnished by the NIH -- at taxpayer's expense no less -- that there is a link?)
What I didn't see at the hearing was a group of mothers testifying that their children didn't die of a preventable disease because they got vaccinated.
12 years is a long time to be stuck in one spot spinning your wheels. I think that what mothers really want is a cure or treatment for autism, not for somebody to sue.
Of course this was a dig by TB at what's his name over that thing. It is curious to me that both the controversial doctors come from the same British Commonwealth country. Both doctors are viewed with suspicion by their colleagues and both their theories basically come down to well it might be so because you can't prove that it's not. Both theories have acquired a sort of religious dogmatic status among some people so that it is a known fact that this is the ultimate reality.
TB probably doesn't need my help, but I'll jump in and say that I pretty much agree with him. He may need a remedial course, however, in a recognizing and not stirring up a hornet's nest.
realistically optimistic
ATILLA 
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howdy sunny ,
im innocent i tells ya , innocent
it was the n y times....yeah....their the guilty ones....yeah
some scurrilous wag has suggested i stired up a hornets nest , ( i may have poked at it with my 12ft lance ) but this was accidental and incidental ( besides , nobody saw me  ) ...my main interest is the tripple antigen / MMR vaccination debate
mmr....wakefield et al caused ( and still does ) many parents not to vaccinate their children , there are still outbreaks of measles every year in britian....infant death rate 2 to 3 per 1000 cases , mumps had a lower rate but has an unfortunate symptom in adults.....yes i refer to the sore and swollen testicals....pushing a wheelbarrow around would be inconvienent
rubella.... causes very serious birth defects
tripple antigen / sabin vaccine.....diphtheria , tetanus , whooping cough and polio vaccine ( a recent addition to the tripple ) are far far more serious diseases...i dont know if the anti vaccination crowd of the U S & A are also against this , but if they are..... a powerful lot of head reading is required
sunny , i have only ever read where you are against murcury in vaccinations....you are an educated person....i do not include you in the loony fringe
there are those that are more easily swayed by the junk science of wakefield et al
one of the worst aspects of all this , is that some parents believe wakefields rubbish .....that their child got autism from having them vaccinated
lunchtime....i may need a carb boost to run from some angry hornets
i shall return
shot ( over there ) = injection.....tenuous link , but anyway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9_XtqHgf0g
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hi atilla old pal ,
stepped on a hornets nest you say ? ....yep could be ....im not as sure footed as i usta be....i have SBW
14 major studies , what do they cost ?....no wonder you folks are near enough to broke
a dig at who ? what , where , when....i tried to read between your lines ....well i can see where they usta be...im takin the 5th...i do not recall and cannot be compelled to self incriminate ......the copy n paste of n y times did say wakefield is running a clinic in austin , i assume that means texas
i know what your talking about.....but with my glib tongue , no court could ever convict me , im the teflon teddyboy
two docs from the same british commonwealth country ? ....i thought they were english.....i must be on the wrong tram
i detect an anti british sentiment in some of your posts....the canadians are commonwealth members
them there kanucs could ....at any time....sweep down from the north and bayonette you in your blankets.....or as would be more likely say bad words to you in french
i have another n y times editorial that goes more to the point of lawyers , docs , sueing and how wakefield played the game
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For a decade, many parents have worried that vaccines might somehow be causing autism in children. Repeated assurances from respected experts that there is no link have failed to quiet those fears. Now The Lancet, a prestigious British medical journal that published the paper that first gave wide credence to those fears, has retracted it, saying that the paper’s authors had made false claims about how the study was conducted.
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Health Guide: AutismThe journal acted after a British medical panel had found the lead author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, guilty of dishonesty and flouting medical ethics.
The original paper, published in 1998, was based on only 12 children. It nevertheless drew an inferential link between an autismlike disorder and the triple-vaccine used to prevent measles, mumps and rubella. Although that paper stopped short of claiming the combination vaccine caused the disorder, Dr. Wakefield suggested at a press conference that parents would be wise to use single vaccines for each of the diseases.
What was not known at the time was that Dr. Wakefield had filed for a patent on a single measles vaccine that would benefit if the triple vaccine failed and that he was receiving payments from a lawyer planning to sue manufacturers of the triple vaccine.
Die-hard believers in the theory that vaccines cause autism are already denouncing the British medical establishment for smearing one of their heroes. Many parents have moved on to other theories as to how vaccines might cause autism only to be met with overwhelming evidence that there is no causal link.
What is indisputable is that vaccines protect children from dangerous diseases. We hope that The Lancet’s belated retraction will finally lay this damaging myth about autism and vaccines to rest.
if sunnykay promises to still be my friend , i will paste the readers comments about jenny Mc Carthy from parents of autistic children....they are very articulate
i have stolen part of one ....its mine now....i think it fits a variety of situations and debates....not just this one
On the need for experimental controls: It has been conclusively shown that chanting, dancing, and the beating of drums will restore the sun after an eclipse.
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TebbyBoy, ATILLA, our friendships are still intact. I should follow the example of Kalars and bow out more gracefully, but alas, I cannot. Tis against my very nature.
Some clarifications regarding my opinions...Yes a combination of mother and doctor, emotion and science, advocacy and DO NO HARM...
1. There should be NO mercury in vaccines(especially pediatric ones).
2. Children should not be mandated to be exposed to 7, 8, 9, 10 immunizations ON THE SAME DAY, ESPECIALLY prior to their 2nd birthday.
3. There is scientific evidence of an association between the presence of autism and the presence of metabolic disorders. Children with undiagnosed underlying metabolic disorders, such as mitochondrial disorders, are at increased risk of complications from vaccines, ie autism. Research the Hannah Poling case.
4. There appears to be an association between autism and family history of allergies/eczema/asthma. There is high suspicion for an autoimmune component in autism. Autism is not just "all in the head" or brain. It often affects the GI tract, the immune system AND the brain. Children with autism react differently to live vaccines and to infections in their bodies than their typical counterparts.
5. I was trained when the individual Measles, Mumps, and Rubella shots were available as well as the MMR. This should still be an option. Merck stopped making the individual components in favor of only offering MMR. Why? Perhaps we should follow the money. Interestingly, Merck has agreed to start making the individual shots again starting next year, I believe.
6. I want to read a large scale totally independent scientific research study that strongly proves or disproves the autism-vaccine connection. ATILLA, if you look up the funding sources in the 14 studies, I believe you'll find that all of them were funded by the government and/or pharmaceutical companies that have a big stake in the results. PARENTS OF KIDS WITH AUTISM WANT INDEPENDENT UNBIASED RESEARCH. I agree. If it's out there, I haven't found it yet(My son will turn 8 this month).
7. Good or bad, Dr. Wakefield brought an issue to light that has plagued the families of children with autism for decades...GI ISSUES. I am very sorry to hear about his financial arrangement which will just discredit him more.
SunnyKay
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Response From Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey
Los Angeles, February 5, 2010
Dr. Andrew Wakefield is being discredited to prevent an historic study from being published that for the first time looks at vaccinated versus unvaccinated primates and compares health outcomes, with potentially devastating consequences for vaccine makers and public health officials.
It is our most sincere belief that Dr. Wakefield and parents of children with autism around the world are being subjected to a remarkable media campaign engineered by vaccine manufacturers reporting on the retraction of a paper published in The Lancet in 1998 by Dr. Wakefield and his colleagues.
The retraction from The Lancet was a response to a ruling from England's General Medical Council, a kangaroo court where public health officials in the pocket of vaccine makers served as judge and jury. Dr. Wakefield strenuously denies all the findings of the GMC and plans a vigorous appeal.
Despite rampant misreporting, Dr. Wakefield's original paper regarding 12 children with severe bowel disease and autism never rendered any judgment whatsoever on whether or not vaccines cause autism, and The Lancet's retraction gets us no closer to understanding this complex issue.
Dr. Wakefield is one of the world's most respected and well-published gastroenterologists. He has published dozens of papers since 1998 in well-regarded peer-reviewed journals all over the world. His work documenting the bowel disease of children with autism and his exploration of novel ways to treat bowel disease has helped relieve the pain and suffering of thousands of children with autism.
For the past decade, parents in our community have been clamoring for a relatively simple scientific study that could settle the debate over the possible role of vaccines in the autism epidemic once and for all: compare children who have been vaccinated with children who have never received any vaccines and see if the rate of autism is different or the same.
Few people are aware that this extremely important work has not only begun, but that a study using an animal model has already been completed exploring this topic in great detail.
Dr. Wakefield is the co-author, along with eight other distinguished scientists from institutions like the University of Pittsburgh, the University of Kentucky, and the University of Washington, of a set of studies that explore the topic of vaccinated versus unvaccinated neurological outcomes using monkeys.
The first phase of this monkey study was published three months ago in the prestigious medical journal Neurotoxicology, and focused on the first two weeks of life when the vaccinated monkeys received a single vaccine for Hepatitis B, mimicking the U.S. vaccine schedule. The results, which you can read for yourself HERE, were disturbing. Vaccinated monkeys, unlike their unvaccinated peers, suffered the loss of many reflexes that are critical for survival.
Dr. Wakefield and his scientific colleagues are on the brink of publishing their entire study, which followed the monkeys through the U.S. childhood vaccine schedule over a multi-year period. It is our understanding that the difference in outcome for the vaccinated monkeys versus the unvaccinated controls is both stark and devastating.
There is no question that the publication of the monkey study will lend substantial credibility to the theory that over-vaccination of young children is leading to neurological damage, including autism. The fallout from the study for vaccine makers and public health officials could be severe. Having denied the possibility of the vaccine-autism connection for so long while profiting immensely from a recent boom in vaccine sales around the world, it's no surprise that they would seek to repress this important work.
Behind the scenes, the pressure to keep the work of Dr. Wakefield and his colleagues from being published is immense, and growing every day. Medical journals take extreme risk of backlash in publishing any studies that question the safety of the vaccination program, no matter how well-designed and thorough the research might be. Neurotoxicology, a highly-respected medical journal, deserves great credit for courageously publishing the first phase of this vaccinated monkey study.
The press has been deeply misled in the way The Lancet retraction, and Dr. Wakefield's mock trial, have been characterized. Led by the pharmaceutical companies and their well-compensated spokespeople, Dr. Wakefield is being vilified through a well-orchestrated smear campaign designed to prevent this important new work from seeing the light of day.
What medical journal would want to step in front of this freight train? Moreover, why now, after 12 years of inaction, did The Lancet and GMC suddenly act? Is it coincidence that the monkey study is currently being submitted to medical journals for review and publication?
We urge the media to take a close look at the first phase of the monkey study discussed above and to start asking a very simple question: What was the final outcome of the 14 primates that were vaccinated using the U.S. vaccine schedule and how did that compare to the unvaccinated controls?
The U.S. vaccine schedule has grown from 10 vaccines given to our children in the 1980s to 36 today, perfectly matching the dramatic rise in autism. The work of Dr. Wakefield and his colleagues deserves to be shared with the world to further, rather than censor, scientific progress.
SunnyKay
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howdy sunnykay ,
it is indeed a good thing that we can have a virulent debate on a sensitive subject and still remain friends
i hope you know none of what i have said has any personal connection to yourself or andrew in any way.....its almost a political issue....im sure atilla is of the same mind
there will always be controversial docs such as wakefield with various theories and ways of promoting them
the readers comments on the original n y times article did not in fact concerntrate on wakefield much.....their ire was directed at jenny Mc for her book promos / money making ect on the likes of the oprah show
many of these comments were quite brilliant and well written
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puter did a number 3 again....i think it has a serious digestive problem
atilla was right.....no more shall i tap dance on hornets nests , them little critters could fly right up my trouser legs....and then where would i be ?
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Is this the Canadian-actor Jim Carey who dropped out of high-school aftetr 3 years in the 10th grade?
You KNOW I've got more to say, but I won't. Go to sleep, hornets.
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ATILLA
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LOL! Running away from a good [hornet's nest, really a colony] debate? Never :-D ...I had a 6yo birthday party to host Saturday!
14 studies...funny you should mention that Atilla {HI :-D} checkout www.fourteenstudies.org - see what Dr. Wakefield has done recently
I have not gotten on Jenny bandwagon .....to me she's another Mom to another kid with autism....BUT SHE is the one who got my DH questioning "our life" after 7 years...after listening to her book via library download, he asks WHY we havn't seen a DAN! doc? IT all clicked finally....same person DH who, 5 years ago, did not want to trial GFCF or later believe that szs were gone until *an infraction* occurred. So GO Jenny and Jim!
Vaccines -have done harm to my kids. Maybe not direct cause-effect within hours or days or vaccine court worthy....but one child has significant neurology difficulties the other does not. Guess which one had full immunizations? That difference is enough for me to stop and question. That's my reality and my responsibility as parent.
I shudder to think how much different my DD would be-if I had NOT listened to my gut - instead of the 6yo with a 9 year old cognitive skill set. Like her brother whose 8yo with 5 year old motor skills.
NIH is not going to find the cause or treatment for autism. My bets are on startups like sirtis or independant researchers like Wakefield and Shoffner. They aren't bound by boxes of kangaroo courts.
Kelly-ann
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As you all know im fond of titling at windmills
but this hornets nest /colony is too hot to handle
the best plan ( for me ) is to abandon my trusty old pal atilla .....to fight a brave rear guard action.....while i saddle up my trusty steed and flee
kangaroos have never claimed any expertise in the area of jurisprudence
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CHARGE!
No RETREAT
CHARGE!
NO RETREAT
So Pancho aka Atilla is left to make the chips n-salsa alone...uh, wait that's VeggieTales version, LOL
Happy Monday with 10 inches of snow falling gently, which DS equated to a blizzard
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My Apologies, Kelly-Ann! What was I thinking?! Of course you'll stay with me to post another day in this hornet's nest of a thread! Please forgive!
I'm surprised, and impressed, that Teddy has chosen chivalry here...Or if not that, then he knows not to mess with Moms on a Mission, which is a very good thing.
I also give much credit to ATILLA who immediately recognized this hornet's nest when he saw it!
Furthermore, I agree with you, K-A...I don't think the NIH or any other agency will seek and find the truth RE: autism...It's up to the individual pioneers and start-ups...I hope they work very quickly!
SunnyKay
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REPORT FROM THE BATTLE OF THE LITTLE BIG HORNet
after teddyboy decamped the field in an ignominious fashion , leaving atilla to fight alone , uncomfirmed reports have been recieved saying atilla has made the supreme sacrifice
this of course would mean he was captured alive
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I've made it to the banks of the river and am about to take the plunge. After I hide from the Hornets awhile I'll crawl out on the mud flat and roll around. (This is an old technique that bears use when they are under attack by a stinging critters and such. For some reason our own Bear mentioned this technique the last time I saw him. Perhaps he has the gift of prescience or something.) I see that TB has already jumped into the river because I see bubbles coming up. I don't know If they have bears over in his country, but evidently there is something there that uses the same technique.
Before I take the plunge just let me just say that Jenny McCarthy got her boobs enlarged after she flunked out of nursing school so she could pose nude for Playboy Magazine. She is a most unusual hero and an even more unusual choice as the leader for a supposedly scientific movement. To make this movement appear even more ridiculous, she chose her 10th grade dropout husband/boyfriend/other as a co-more or less become a political entity and stopped becoming a doctor/researcher
The NIH, or whoever does research on this matter, is up against the ethics ospokesperson.
Dr. Healy stopped being the head of the NIH years before Dr. Quackfield er Wakefield published that Lancet thing. At that point in time she had f the situation. A child has about a thousand times greater chance of getting more serious neurological complications from not getting the vaccinations as he or she has of getting autism because of the vaccinations. If I were going to lead to a pseudoscientific campaign against something to make money from it, I would be sure to rail against something so that it could never be proven that I am Full of It.
So Sunny Kay, Are You Saying That Infant Immune Systems are not up to snuff? In any case, the complete vaccination schedule that infants go through today are exposing them to something like 10% of the antigens that infants use to be exposed to.
Well I've got to go now, here comes another swarm.
S. P. A. L. S. H.
realistically optimistic
ATILLA
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TB wisely knew he was in over his head - must have some mud left over from last time clouding your brain function. Hey, maybe you need a dose of HBOT to heal thy wounds?! Perhaps MB12 to improve emotional stability?
"A child has about a thousand times greater chance of getting more serious neurological complications from not getting the vaccinations as he or she has of getting autism because of the vaccinations."
Easy to say....much harder to swallow. How different are serious neurological complications you refer and Autism- I'm interested in another perspecitve. {seriously}
Jenny McC also did suggestive commercials to pay the bills to facilitate a HBOT chamber purchase. Her methods are different than mine or SunnyKay ~ but our goals are the same. Kids should not be having these systemic body issues. Period.
The correlation studies (maternal and paternal age) are of no help to my child - sure wouldn't have changed when I met my DH nor when we had our first child. Poorly spent funding NIH.
IMO -all the suggested vaccines are not necessary - really Hep B for infants...geesh
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Thans for staying with me, K-A!
ATILLA, as I asked before, are you interested in any REFERENCES?
Jenny(Playboy Playmate, model, author, comedienne TURNED autism advocate) & Jim Carrey(movie star who met and fell in love with Jenny after she had gone through the first months/years of Evan's diagnosis, and they're still together) are doing what I'd be doing if I had the fame, fortune, media attention, etc., but I don't. They are standing against the establishment.
I marched with them at the D.C. "Green Our Vaccines" Rally. They are not Anti-Vaccine. They are for SAFER vaccines. They are against too many vaccines given at too young of an age. They are for the REMOVAL of mercury from all childhood vaccines. So am I.
When I was a resident, we started giving newborns the Hepatitis B vaccine WHICH CONTAINED MERCURY. Why give 3 Hep B shots in the first 6 months or so of life? To prevent these babies from contracting SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES 15-20 years in the future. Think about it...Does THAT make sense? I didn't understand back then, but I TRUSTED the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, the AAP, etc., etc. NOW....? This is NOT just about vaccines. For me, this is about a LIFE LONG neurologic disorder called autism that is affecting countless children and their families...whether from vaccines OR NOT. If autism was fatal, this entire picture would be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
STOP! Off the soap box...I apologize, ATILLA....I'll put the hornets back in their box.
I'm going to bed now...Nite-Nite!
SunnyKay
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